THE LETTER JILL STANEK DOES NOT WANT YOU TO READ 

George Offerman  

I have enclosed the following post by Jill Stanek, and the subsequent and relevant postings making my case in my responses.  It is my last post that evidently got to Jill, and in the typical Jill fashion, she “unpublished” my letter, but left her response up. I have made numerous requests of Jill to correct her faulty allegations, and she has chosen to ignore me.  I informed her I would continue with my request that she either provide evidence that Randall Terry stole money from the Schindlers, or make a public apology and rescind her comments.  To this day, Jill Stanek has done neither. 

Jill, as I promised, I will now go public with this letter and my action plan has been implemented.  Jill you are the main reason I started this web site, as I am sick of supposed pro lifers bashing other pro lifers with the zeal they should be using on the enemy.  Jill, you and others show more respect to People like George Tiller than pro lifers who are actually working on ending Roe.  For that, shame on you. 

Footnote, notice, my posting was up a whole 8 minutes before being unpublished.

To see all comments, go to:  http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2009/06/randall_terry_i.html#more     


June 15, 2009

The backstory on Randall Terry's new organization

Randall Terry emerged as a charismatic pro-life leader in the 80s, helping advance the "rescue" protest mentality. Terry dropped out of sight for several reasons, both personal and pragmatic. Blogger Les Femmes has more details on Terry's history as does Austin Ruse at the Catholic News Agency.One of Terry's pragmatic moves was to shut down the organization he created, Operation Rescue, in the wake of the 1986 NOW vs. Scheidler lawsuit, which came indirectly as a result of Bill Clinton's clampdown on pro-life protesters at abortion mills. Scheidler actually had nothing to do with the protests for which he was sued. Terry, who did, was also originally named in the suit. He attempted to bail, first by disbanding OR when legal bills skyrocketed. His attorneys went on to claim in court neither it nor he had any financial obligation since OR no longer existed. When that didn't work Terry personally bailed...."The National Organization for Women kept offering settlement opportunities to all of us - to Joe [Scheidler], Tim Murphy, Andy Scholberg and Randy," Ann Scheidler told me this morning. "The attorneys were required to notify us, and we all dismissed it," said Ann. "But in December 1997 Terry settled with NOW and dropped out. Randy agreed not to block the entrance of abortion clinics or harass women for 12 years, essentially the injunction we ended up with at the end of the trial."When Terry settled he left the others holding the huge financial bag.Most in the movement will have nothing to do with Terry, including the Schindler family, who parted company with Terry in the wake of their daughter and sister Terri Schiavo's death when "it became clear that his priorities changed," Bob Schindler, Sr., told me this morning, adding, "His priorities aren't always what they appear to be."But Terry is back and a pro-life mouthpiece, whether we like it or not. Blogger Hercegovac at Daily Kos had a bit of fun last week covering Terry's press conference no one attended (photo below right).But to the point of my post. The Washington Times reported yesterday on a "hastily arranged 'emergency pro-life training conference'" held in DC Saturday of "45 people from 16 cities... all white, nearly all over 40 and mostly Roman Catholic." Speakers included Norma McCorvey and Alan Keyes.At this meeting Terry announced the formation of a new group, Operation Rescue Insurrecta Nex, "the latter 2 words meaning 'insurrection against death' in Latin - and is trolling for new affiliates," according to WT.I previously wrote that Terry is in the midst of suing for OR's name, which Troy Newman says Terry gave him when exiting activism. This sounds entirely plausible, particularly given Terry's snarky shutdown of OR to escape the financial obligations of the NOW vs. Scheidler scenario. He admitted in so many words to the WT that he did so "owing to a string of lawsuits from pro-choice groups."But according to the WT Terry now says "Newman claimed the Operation Rescue title and Mr. Terry is suing to retain it for himself."I detest the lawsuit but in addition think it bad form if not a trademark violation for Terry to launch a new organization obviously copycatting the name of the organization he is suing to reclaim. For awhile I was stymied by the fuss over the OR brand but now think I understand. It clicked for me when reading Dan Zanoza's June 1 piece at RFFM.org:"We're not looking for money," said Terry. "I just want my name back." Terry also said he believes the loss of the OR trademark is identity theft. "I've attended events where people have asked me if I received their recent donation," added Terry. "I told them 'if you sent a contribution to Wichita, I didn't get it.'"Terry in one breath said reclaiming the OR brand wasn't about money and in the next said it was. I previously determined not to discuss Terry again, but his attempt to circumvent a smelly lawsuit he initiated in order to obfuscate and basically steal the Operation Rescue brand forces me to speak out again.The crux of this post: Donors of Terry's new organization beware.[Attribution for photo of Randall Terry with members of the Schindler family: Washington Post; for photo of empty chairs: Daily Kos; for photo of Terry: Washington Times]Posted 06/15/09 at 10:45 AM



ShareThis I have known Randall Terry for a very long time and I saw first hand how he took thousands and thousands of dollars that belong to the Schindler's foundation and he never gave the money to the family or the foundation. To him, Terri Schiavo was nothing more than a way he could gain fame and money for himself. I hope someday he will be able to be healed from his deep seeded narcissism!Posted by: Br. Paul at June 15, 2009 2:48 PM



Deborah,While you might be blinded by Randall's words, I have seen him to be out for the money! Sorry, reality hurts! I think as far as confession goes, Randall should start with the Schindler's and give them about 20 thousand dollars that he made off of their dead sister and daughter!Posted by: Br. Paul at June 16, 2009 8:45 AM



Addressing a couple points:~ That I'm gossiping: This is a blog. I report pro-life news as well as opinion. I directly quoted 2 trustworthy people yesterday who gave me permission to put them on record explaining how Terry has wronged them. I read their quotes back to them to ensure they were accurate. This is not Chinese telephone. Bro. Paul would a 3rd witness. He is directly connected to the Schindler family and was their spokesperson before, during, and after Terri's murder. I could have added Archbishop Burke's statement about Terry (another direct quote) but didn't want to digress.
 
Red flags abound re: Randall Terry. People can do with that information what they want.~ Alison, you're missing the point of this post as well as mixing apples and oranges. The point of this post is not to disagree with Terry's tactics, although I do think the bloody doll thing is unnecessary, hyperbolic, and actually disrespectful to the babies when we have their actual photos. (Imagine skeletel blow-up dolls of Holocaust victims.) But that wasn't the point of this post. The point of this post was to question Terry's character in light of his history. Evidence was provided. The focal point of the post was Terry's hijacking a name for his new organization that he is currently suing to reclaim - going around a lawsuit, ridiculous as it is, that he himself invoked.

I have not read any of Terry's defenders defend that. I am still shocked they say everyone else is wrong and Terry is right, that there is an explanation for it all - the Scheidlers, the Schindlers, Archbishop Burke, etc. - that everyone either misunderstands Terry or slanders him for unexplainable reasons.Would Terry be considered simply one of the sinners Jesus hung around with or one of the leaders Jesus condemned? I don't know. That's not my call. Either way, Jesus calls for repentance and to right wrongs.Posted by: Jill Stanek at June 16, 2009 10:23 AM



Jill,you want to debate the facts. You level charges at Randall Terry from reputable sources, but then don't interview Randall Terry. sounds one sided to me, and maybe you already had your conclusions drawn to being with. you said: Scheidler actually had nothing to do with the protests for which he was sued. I attended a public talk by Joe scheidler, who introduced himself as a "racketeer for Christ" Mr. Scheidler openly admitted the NOW law suit against him was from his book "99 ways to stop abortion" published in 1985. This was prior to OR blocking clinics in 1987-1988. Mr Schiedler states one of his tactics in his book was to block entrances, and that tactic is what was named in the law suit. This came directly from Mr. Scheidler, and I and 30 other people witnessed this, and the law suit according to Mr. Scheidler was a direct result from the tactic in the book.

Pertaining to Troy Newmann and character. He is associated with Chearyl Sullinger, his senior policy advisor. Are you aware she was convicted of trying to blow up an abortion clinic in California in 1988, and served 2 years in prison? Also that the shooter of Dr. Tiller, Scott Roeder had OR's number with Cheryl's name on it. Does character really matter to you with some and not others? Why was their site taken down almost immediately after the shooting? Have you looked into this?

you said: I previously wrote that Terry is in the midst of suing for OR's name, which Troy Newman says Terry gave him when exiting activism. This sounds entirely plausible, particularly given Terry's snarky shutdown of OR to escape the financial obligations of the NOW vs. Scheidler scenario.Now your use of "this sounds entirely plausible..." does not smack of objective journalism but of conjecture. So, you are taking the word of someone who associates with another who has a conviction of a violent act, and will not talk to a man who served jail time for showing a fetus to a presidentail candidate and saving lives? Strange ethics you have. Have you actually done research on the copyright claims and tried to validate your claims?

No one can know for sure what was said during your interviews with the Scheidlers or the Schindlers, but your refusal to talk to the man you are trashing is despicable and unprofessional.

Jill, are you not white and over 40 yourself? Does that mean no one should give credibility to your site? you need to hold yourself to your own standards. The last I read in scripture is that Jesus died for all sinners and all sins and I tire of you thinking you are the final arbiter of right and wrong, and who is guilty or not, and ignoring the many posts that correctly point out your errors. "Pride cometh before the fall" Jill.Posted by: George Offerman at June 17, 2009 10:57 AM    



Jill,It's been 3 days since I made my last post, and you have yet to respond to any of the facts I brought up. You insisted on debating the facts, yet you continue to justify unjustifiable positions, something you accuse Randall Terry of doing. I responded to the blogger les femmes in the same fashion, with facts, and she ignored them just as you are doing now. It is as if I never sent this and it's too inconvenient for you. it is becoming more obvious to me that you are holding more of an emotional positon than factual, and that is a moral problem.I guess the facts get in the way of a good story.

you said: That I'm gossiping: This is a blog. I report pro-life news as well as opinion. I directly quoted 2 trustworthy people yesterday who gave me permission to put them on record explaining how Terry has wronged them. I read their quotes back to them to ensure they were accurate. This is not Chinese telephone. Bro. Paul would a 3rd witness. He is directly connected to the Schindler family and was their spokesperson before, during, and after Terri's murder. This is one of your main quotes from Ann Schiedler.

"The attorneys were required to notify us, and we all dismissed it," said Ann. "But in December 1997 Terry settled with NOW and dropped out. Randy agreed not to block the entrance of abortion clinics or harass women for 12 years, essentially the injunction we ended up with at the end of the trial."Randall took a plea, that was offered to all of them and after 12 years of fighting, the reamianing litigants ended up with the same injunction after all. So no one has a right to self determination? I already covered Mr Schiedler's involvement in my last entry and will not rehash it here.

you said: Most in the movement will have nothing to do with Terry, including the Schindler family, who parted company with Terry in the wake of their daughter and sister Terri Schiavo's death when "it became clear that his priorities changed," Bob Schindler, Sr., told me this morning, adding, "His priorities aren't always what they appear to be."One small quote from Mr. Schindler out of a whole conversation that you have not posted. What does this even mean? What was the context of that remark? also, as your quoted third witness, brother Paul's comments are very tied into this.

Brother Paul says: I have known Randall Terry for a very long time and I saw first hand how he took thousands and thousands of dollars that belong to the Schindler's foundation and he never gave the money to the family or the foundation. To him, Terri Schiavo was nothing more than a way he could gain fame and money for himself. I hope someday he will be able to be healed from his deep seeded narcissism!

So, brother Paul, you have evidence of this seeing it FIRST HAND? Are you in the habit of watching criminal behavior and not reporting this? You are outright accusing Randall of thievery: In your own words: I think as far as confession goes, Randall should start with the Schindler's and give them about 20 thousand dollars that he made off of their dead sister and daughter!

Jill, I find it hard to believe that supposedely after stealing 20K from the Shindler family trust that Mr. Shindler would have forgotten this little tidbit. Also, why have charges never been filed. Where is the evidence of this thievery? Surely there would have to be a paper trail, unless 20k was sitting unguarded on a coffee table (brother Paul evidently was not guarding it well but witnessed this). Do you always not check your facts prior to declaring this 3rd witness? Who is brother Paul anyway?

Jill, this is one time I agree with you that you are not a gossip.. This is SLANDER! Frankly if I were Mr. Terry, I may pursue this point. Someone is a LIAR.

Notre Dame was in the world's spotlight for one reason only: Randall Terrys witness. Alan Keyes was there due directly to Randall Terry's witness and getting arrested. 4 days of world wide press would have a price tag of millions. I would call that an efficient use of donations. Jill maybe this sticks in your craw, or jealousy may be a motive, but it was not your blog, or PLAL's demonstration or Troy Newmann's OR that accomplished this, but a group of people willing to partake of tactics you (along with most of the movement) condemn. Don't you think that 35 years is enough time to see that "changing hearts" has not been effective. Our enemies play hardball, so must we.

Unless you can prove these allegations true, you need to make a public appology and retract your error on this blog. It should not be difficult to have the Shiedler's and Schindlers give full testimony, or release transcripts of the whole conversation, so we can judge for ourselves what was said. You definitely need to have proof of Brother Pauls allegations of 20K of money stolen. It's the least you can do. Posted by: George Offerman at June 19, 2009 12:19 PM




George, I'll not regurgitate the points I made about good people who believe Terry has wronged them.I do want to address your point, "Notre Dame was in the world's spotlight for one reason only: Randall Terrys witness...."You're not the first of Terry's followers to say this, so I'm surmising it came from him. I find it more than a prideful statement. It is the thought of either a megalomaniac or extremely insecure person. No other people or groups would say such a egotistical thing. Furthermore, To stand on that point to defend Terry against his entire history is weird as well as incorrect.CBR got worldwide coverage for its "abortion plane" weeks before May 17. I know, I covered it. Pro-Life Action League/Citizens for a Pro-Life Society paid for 2 billboards on I80 that also got much attention. Then the day of the event, PLAL, CBR, and CPS organized what may be the longest continuous pro-life activist protest ever - 2 miles from I80 to the entrance of Notre Dame. Thousands of pro-lifers from all over the country descended on ND in protest that day.

This is not to say Terry and Keyes had no impact. They did. They deserve credit, although I dispute the bloody dolls in Spongebob carriages were helpful. That said, the student group which organized many thoughtful events the day of Obama's speech felt Terry sucked the oxygen out of their plans (media attention), another of Terry's traits.

But your entire point is one of Terry's problems. Taking over and taking credit when no one should. It's unbecoming of him and his followers to show such immaturity.And so what if what you say is true? Is your point to excuse Terry's pattern of infractions dating back decades?Posted by: Jill Stanek at June 20, 2009 6:51 AM



Jill,
This is going to be a 2 part post, the first addressing again your errors concerning Notre Dame and other matters, and the second, your own behaviors, and I recommend you sit down for this.

You said: This is not to say Terry and Keyes had no impact. They did. They deserve credit, although I dispute the bloody dolls in Spongebob carriages were helpful. Then you said: CBR got worldwide coverage for its "abortion plane" weeks before May 17. I know, I covered it. Pro-Life Action League/Citizens for a Pro-Life Society paid for 2 billboards on I80 that also got much attention. Then the day of the event, PLAL, CBR, and CPS organized what may be the longest continuous pro-life activist protest ever - 2 miles from I80 to the entrance of Notre Dame. Thousands of pro-lifers from all over the country descended on ND in protest that day.

You yourself trashed Randall for nearly 2 months on his Notre Dame excursion, renting a temporary office and garnering attention where he should not be. Randall initiated this move and had made the news with his own arrest 2 weeks prior to the Obama event. No other group was in South Bend at that time. Now you want to say he merely helped? Who then initiated the arrests that were dominant for 4 days? Jill, you can't have it both ways. BTW, Randall did coordinate with Joe Schiedler for Sunday.

I was at Notre Dame and was arrested. It was my decision and no one else’s. I also know the people who chose to be arrested prayed about this, and have sacrificed a considerable amount of time and money to do this. I know that the arrests were front and center for those days, because it directly confronted the policy of Fr. Jenkins, and the Catholic hierarchy. Do you want to dispute this?

One would think listening to you that the news went something like this: Our top story, Jill Stanek interviews pro life groups, reveals plans for a student protest at the grotto and broke the story of the CBR Abortion plane. In other news, 21 arrests at Notre Dame including former Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, Fr. Norman Weslin, Norma Mc Corvey of Jane Roe fame...

Jill I have several hours of Fox news, the friendliest pro life network, recorded by friends over those days, and what dominated the news were the arrests over the 4 days. I had an opportunity to watch the recording last weekend, and there was not one mention of PLAL, the CRB plane, the billboards, your interview or any other pro life event other than the arrests. Why is this? Because the arrests were the main event happening at that time. Now, who organized and started the arrests? By your own admission the other groups did not show up until Sunday, and thus could not have been responsible at all for the press coverage of the previous 3 days.

It seems the event that has been seared into the consciousness of America was the sight of Fr. Weslin being carried away the way that he was, and the fact that Fr. Jenkins could have a fellow priest arrested. If you dispute this, then you can come over to my home the next time you are on the east coast and we'll watch it together.

I had friends and family watching on Sunday, and none of them had seen pictures of the plane, nor the 2 mile demonstration on Sunday. In fact, those watching reported the mainstream media stated there were about 100 protesters at the main gate. I had to explain to my family and friends who watched, that there was a 2 mile long group on Michigan Ave. evidently little to no press on the effort. In fact, the 10-15 counter protesters ended up with more press than any of the other groups.

Jill, it is unfortunate that a lot of the effort seemed to be for little. This raises the next point. You want to criticize tactics, and continue to talk about dolls covered in blood. Even though it did not meet your approval, it did get the media's attention (even you admit that).

Holding signs and flying banners is nothing new, and does not garner attention. Jill, I have attended all but 3 right to life marches held in D.C since 1985, and the media always underestimates the numbers and gives more airtime to the anti life counter protesters. You, like the majority in this movement, want to "change hearts" and be "tolerant and understanding" "we need to not offend people and lets get along".

Lets look at the score: 36 years, 50 + million deaths, 54% of Catholics voting for the most pro death president in our nation's history, and we are on the verge of getting a pro death supreme court justice who could be on the bench 25 + years. Yeah, it definitely sounds like "changing hearts" has been wildly successful, so let's do MORE OF THE SAME.

Jill, if our country used the same tactics you are espousing, we would still have slavery, children would be in sweat shops, you wouldn't have the right to vote and we would be bowing to a queen and drinking tea.

Jill, what is your plan to end Roe? What strategies are you going to employ that will work? What's the plan of any of the groups you mentioned to end Roe? I've been in this movement long enough (since 1982) to see that the current plan is ineffective. Most in the movement spend time and money on republicans, who in essence take our money, pat us on the head, say what we want to hear, get elected and pay no attention to pro lifers until the next election cycle.

Now, I will say with all the coverage, Randall was not interviewed often, but did make an appearance on Sean Hannity's show. Randall did not put anyone up to this, and has remained in the background. It was his idea to go to Notre Dame 2 months previous and you covered this well. People who went and participated in the arrests felt called by the spirit to get arrested. You can characterize those of us that made the decision as immature or losing our respectability in being associated with an egotistical meglomaniac, but I'm in good company with the likes of Dr. Alan Keyes, Fr. Norman Weslin, Norma Mc Corvey, Dick Retta, Jack Ames, Missy Smith, etc..

Speaking of egotisical and meglomania,
You said: No other people or groups would say such a egotistical thing. (in MY reference to giving Randall sole credit for the arrests and publicity)Then 3 lines later you said: CBR got WORLDWIDE coverage for its "abortion plane" weeks before May 17. I know, I COVERED IT. (caps added)

Saying Randall Terry had "some influence and can take some credit" for the 4 days of world wide coverage is like telling the people of New Orleans that Katrina was "just a wind storm"

I guess you have no problems taking credit for your coverage, yet when the arrests dominate the news for 4 days, and by your own admission, you blame Randall Terry for his showmanship, you demonstrate your contradictory position.

Jill you discuss character and want to get into issues surrounding Randall's past. Well I would agree, but that requires a person of integrity to do that.

I brought up several points you have not addressed, and I could not help but notice that you have banner ads for operation rescue of Troy Newmann, and PLAL. So are they paid advertisers? If so, it sure goes a long way in explaining why you are silent on the OR issues with Cherryl Sullinger and the site going down.

Can you say CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

Jill, do you get paid for your speaking engagements? I presume you get paid for your WND column. Now, how did you get these opportunities? By pro life work. So your connections have been through pro life work and may be quite lucrative. Why don't you tell us about that, if you’re so fixated on Randall's use of donations.

Now, onto the second part of the post.

Integrity is key to clarity and truth. Leaders have much responsibility with the privilege of leading, and need to demonstrate that.

I know you have been considered a leader in this movement, and you need to demonstrate integrity to a level in which you are called to lead. If you do not hold to this standard, you disqualify yourself

.If Randall Terry stole 20k from the Schindlers, HE SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR A LOING TIME AND PAY AN EXTREMELY LARGE FINE. Stealing from such a cause stinks from the highest levels in heaven to the lowest depths of hell. I will lead the charge against him and would be willing to lock the door to his cell.

However...

If brother Paul is lying and you by association have participated in this slander, BROTHER PAUL SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR A LONG TIME AND PAY A LARGE FINE. YOU SHOULD SPEND SOME TIME IN JAIL AND PAY A LARGE FINE, AS WELL AS GIVE UP YOUR WND POSTION AND CLOSE DOWN YOUR BLOG. Slander and stealing a man's reputation stinks from the highest levels in heaven to the lowest depths of hell. Randall ought to lead the charge against Brother Paul and you and lock you and he up in the cells. Stealing and Slander are crimes, and need to be punished. Someone is a LIAR.

Jill, by allowing that post and your response on a public site, you have set yourself up for trouble, and you need to have the integrity to deal with it. If you try to ignore this, then at least strip the "Christian" label from yourself and join the LIBERAL mainstream media whom you seem to be imitating. Christianity and criminal behaviors don't go together, and that is your point against Randall.

It doesn't matter if it was 20 years ago or just yesterday, lack of integrity is lack of integrity.

You want to call attention to past wrongs and character, but you yourself are unwilling to look at your own behavior.It is despicable and unjustifiable to slander, and you, Jill have demonstrated you have an axe to grind by not CHECKING THE FACTS. You should have validated Brother Paul's assertions instead of jumping all over it like fresh road kill. I wonder what Joseph Farah would think of this if it were posted on WND?

Jill, I will not debate Randall's past with you until you clear this matter up. Until then, you have from a Christian perspective, disqualified yourself. The better of the reasons is you should be talking to Randall Terry about Randall Terry.

You have violated so many ethical principles and have brought harm to this movement by your lack of due diligence. I think the readers can determine for themselves who may lack maturity, objectivity and have arrogance problems.You are the one who is riding on the high horse. You refuse to interview Randall, will not look at any of the materials he has on his web sites (You quoted to Joseph "I'm aware of his site) his program Insurrecta Nex, but act like an expert and are making judgements on him. I guess my bible does not have the 5th gospel, according to Jill, in it.

It's amazing Jill, what happened to you? You went from this humble nurse having the guts to report horrendous practices to someone slandering a pro lifer you disagree with. Is it the WND writings, the testifying in front of the Senate, the speaking engagements? I guess you are at the table now running with the big dogs. Maybe you need to get back to your roots.

Jill, it's time to present the evidence of the allegations, or begin the process of retraction and apology. You want to call attention to past wrongs and character, but you yourself are unwilling to look at your own behavior. Posted by: George Offerman at June 22, 2009 2:39 PM  




 George, your arguments are ridiculous and petty. You miss so many points and are factually incorrect on others. You're going to think what you're going to think, which is fine. I'm unpublishing your comment and closing down comments here, which we do after a week anyway.But just so you know, I take no money from PLAL or OR for posting ads about their organizations.Posted by: Jill Stanek at June 22, 2009 2:47 PM  

THANK YOU TROY II

 

George Offerman

 16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
 17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
 19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers   Prov. 6:16-19  

Just when you think the smoke begins to clear, something even bigger occurs.

 

UNBELIEVABLY  Troy sends out another copy of his slanderous and lying e-mail!  And on top of that, he also has his little disclaimer at the bottom of the e-mail.  Who is this guy’s attorney? Such integrity.  Here is a supposed ‘leader’ that preaches openness, yet wants to drag out all sorts of innuendos against Randall, and then wants to hide his own trail.  As I stated earlier, I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried.

 

I will in the future post Troy’s e-mail in its entirety.  Troy’s rejection of this and subsequent action clearly demonstrates this man has no intent whatsoever to settle this without first destroying Randall Terry in the process.

 

The issue is a trademark dispute and here are the following legal ramifications of going through the trademark office.  See if you can find Troy’s claims of damages and mailing list demands.

    Randall Terry filed a petition to cancel Troy Newman's registration of the mark Operation Rescue with the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board (TTAB) of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.  The relief requested by the case is limited to canceling the registration as the TTAB has no other authority to award relief.  The petition does not request, and the TTAB has no authority to make any order regarding, any relief by way of money, mailing lists or the domain name of a website. 

The TTAB's Manual of Procedure (TBMP) states, for example, "The Board is empowered to determine only the right to register"  (Section 102.01) and "The Board will not hold any person in contempt, or award attorneys' fees, other expenses, or damages to any party" (Section 502.05).  These are available on-line:  http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/dcom/ttab/tbmp/100.pdf and http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/dcom/ttab/tbmp/500.pdf

 

And here are Troy’s claims in his latest e-mail (which he has had 18 months to clarify with his attorney)

 I have attempted on three separate occasions to settle this matterWith Randy Terry, but the only “options” Randy has offered has been:   

1.       A complete surrender of our website www.operationrescue.org. 

2.              Hand over our mailing list.

 

3.              Pay Randy Terry every dollar we have raised in the last five years.

   

I don’t know about you, But I just don’t find Troy‘s points to be there.  I guess it is that stealth thing or double secret probation again.  Good luck to you Troy.

   

THANK YOU TROY
 
George Offerman
 
16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
 17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
 19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers   Prov. 6:16-19
 
 
I am posting this information to allow all to see the true character of Troy Newman.  The amazing thing about the following posts by Troy is that I couldn’t make this up if I tried, and Troy gave all of us a gift, in that he exposes himself for what he really is:  a hypocrite.  In his posts, he insults me, then quotes scripture, then makes sure he ‘hides’ his responses by said disclaimer at the bottom of the page.  Troy, are you that afraid of allowing others to see your true character that you have to hide your correspondences? I took out the insult as I will not repeat gossip.  BTW Troy, you do not ‘own’ my responses.
 
I received the last post  after I sent Troy a rebuttal, and don’t know if he read it or not.  I then inserted his initial response below my rebuttal.  I edited out the second half of Troy’s initial comments because they were extremely offensive to most sensibilities, and actually would harm a good number of people.  Good going Troy.
 
Also if you notice, Troy does not bother to respond to any of my points, and continues to show his “leadership skills” by attacking the messenger instead of taking a look at the merits of the argument.
 
I have one question for you Troy.  If your case is so strong and you have truth on your side, as you claim, why are you resorting to outright lies and personal attacks?
 
 
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:50 PM, troy newman <XXXXX@gmail.com> wrote:
 
George,
Go tell everyone you know not to give to Operation Rescue. I am confident I can withstand your minor abuse. You are just helping the baby killers to kill more babies. What part of our projects do you want to de-fund? The website? The Truth Trucks, the Op Research?, the Church Campaign, the radio ministry?
Which one George?
 
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Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong. 1 Cor 16:13
 
Troy Newman
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On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:53 PM, George Offerman <XXXX@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Troy,
 
Good to hear back from you so soon.  Of course I am going to correct some of your misperceptions in your letter, and will not go into nasty language or innuendoes.  I think truth needs no such endeavor, and if you really had truth on your side, you would not need to revert to personal attacks either on me or Randall Terry.  It is interesting you think by not donating to you, I and others are helping to kill more babies.  Arrogance.
 
First of all, my comments are not 'minor abuse' as you would say.  I told you about the history of your letter, my response and your continued insistence that Randall is suing you for all the items you listed.  I had conversations with lawyers, as well as going on the trademark site to confirm the comments I made, (that by the way, you did not acknowledge or discuss) so this is true.  I also know you made the same allegations after having 18 months to correct them.  This shows me clearly that it is you with the credibility problem, and have an axe to grind.  Why else would you make these statements, if your real goal is to heal this 'rift'.  It seems to me this is not your goal.
 
Also it is not my interest to 'de-fund' any worthwhile pro life activity.  Interestingly enough, I have not heard of most of the items you discussed other than the truth trucks and buying an abortuary.  What I would like to de-fund is your spending money on items like a large farm, jet ski's etc. (unless you want to accuse Norma MCCorvey of lying) it is you after all that has insisted you earn all your money from pro life work and do not have side interests.  I think as a donor, and having significant influence on other donors, that we have a right to know how you spend our donations.  Jet Ski’s just don't cut it.
 
Troy it was you who has been crying about character and integrity, and lying about this lawsuit is poor character, but it seems to me if you think this is abuse, it tells me you are unable to take any criticism.    You need to address my points I made and refrain from attacks.  If you are unwilling to do this, you need not respond any further.  There are plenty of good pro life causes I and my constituents can give to if you decide to call my character into question.  I guess you don't know well enough to not bite the hand that feeds you.
 
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George Offerman

 

Over this past weekend, 29 of us went to the White House to conduct a protest in the form of street theatre.  Bob and I dressed as Obama and we had others take the form of slaves to taxes, while others held “Face the truth” signs, depicting aborted babies.  Even though we had no major media to cover the events, several interested onlookers took video’s and we had plenty of folks wanting us to pose and get our pictures.  We also had some dissidents yelling at us and challenging our positions in a ‘street debate’. 

 

The good news was we had several people from out of state, and a couple drove as far as Arizona to be with us.  The bad news is we had only 29 people protesting in the streets for the babies.  What is (has) happening to the pro life movement?  It seems the strategies have boiled down to being sanguine and sanitized (strategies straight from the pits of hell) which is what the enemy wants and effectively has dictated.

 

What is more bothersome than the defined enemy is the so called ‘friend’ of the babies, the ones that want ‘moderation’, to ‘change hearts’ and to listen to ‘the other side and come up with a compromise’.  There is no compromise with hell; there is only war and total defeat of one side by the other.  There seems to be a clear lack of understanding when it comes to this principle, and there are few willing to step up to the ‘plate’ and do something about it.

 

The current pro life strategies are ‘defeatist’ in nature.  We have been playing to not lose, and defensively, in the sense of changing ‘incrementally’ laws and the way we go about presenting our cause, in an almost apologetic way.  No matter what you think of the other side, they play to win, and play hardball.  We could and should learn from them.  They do not worry about ‘offending’ us, they get RICO and FACE laws (and working on hate laws) enacted to shut us up.  They set the tone of the debate; tell us how we can act and what we can say.  Unfortunately most of the pro life movement has taken up this dictated mantle, and ‘pro lifers’ have stronger words for the true pro life activist than the enemy.

 

Just look at the death of George Tiller.  More so called pro lifers condemned Randal Terry’s criticism of Tiller, and used stronger language against Mr. Terry, than ‘Dr.” Tiller and his 60,000 slayings over the years.  Heck, who needs enemies when we have ‘pro lifers’ willing to do their jobs for them?

 

This site is not for the faint of heart, and will give brutally honest commentary and feedback for those needing some disrespect thrown their way.  I will be putting out Jill Stanek’s letter and my replies that she wanted no one else to see.   It is people like Jill Stanek that inspired me to put up this site and I can assure you, I will not go ‘quietly into that good night”

 

This site is for those hungry for the truth, and are wearied by the constant ‘politically correct’ way of being pro life in particular, and Christian in general.  We need to take charge and go on the offensive as God instructs us to do.  Christianity is not a spectator sport, and it’s time to quit the kitchen Christianity and take it to those who are the instigators of this evil.

  

Stay tuned….

AN OPEN LETTER TO TROY NEWMANN

Troy,
 
It is amazing I have to write this, as well as dismaying and heartbreaking.  I met you several years ago in front of the Supreme Court building when you and several people came from California to protest partial birth abortion in 2001.  At that time, you represented a large contingency of pro lifers that picketed and held a vigil in front of the building.  This resulted in several arrests on the day of the court hearing. 

I can recollect giving you money during that time, and had been a rather avid supporter of you when you called yourself Operation Rescue West.  I was able to influence several people in this area as well as family members in the Midwest to donate to your cause. I can easily say that I help influence several people who have given thousands of dollars over this time. 

I’m writing to tell you why I will no longer support you, and will inform others who I encouraged to help you over the years to stop supporting you financially.
 
You sent out an e-mail about 18 months ago to pro lifers around the country, stating that Randall Terry was suing you for using the name Operation Rescue.  As well, you made statements that Randall wanted your mailing list as well as donations made to you going back several years.  I, like others at that time, believed your allegations.  Your letter coincided with Randall’s efforts to put together a conference in Philedelphia, and it directly influenced me and 11 others in the Washington D. C, area to not attend Randall’s conference.  In fact, it tainted my once positive view of Randall Terry.
 
I met Randall in the spring of 2008 when he was in the process of moving his family to the Northern Virginia area.  I spoke to him almost immediately about this situation, and verbalized my concerns and issues I had with this whole "lawsuit."  Randall was very up front with me.

I proceeded to read his site operationrescuetheft.com in its entirety.  I also informed Randall I would be speaking to you as well, and attempt to at least clarify the issue for myself and other pro life leaders in the Washington D.C. area.  As you may remember, I contacted you by phone in May 2008, and we spoke for over 90 minutes about these concerns.  It was my intent to hear both sides of the dispute and try to determine whether there was malice or misunderstanding concerning this from either side.
 
I came to a partial conclusion when I realized that a trademark dispute cannot result in monetary damages or a forced handing over of your mailing list, and that this allegation against Randall was at least an exaggeration on your part.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt at that time, and did not pursue this. 

This however changed with your latest written “assault” on Randall.  Troy, you had a year to be informed by your lawyer of this ‘error’ concerning Randall suing you for money and your mailing list, and to correct it.  You chose to not do this, so I can only conclude that it is deliberate on your part.

You continue to say what is no longer an exaggerated claim, but an outright lie.  Troy, this is very shameful behavior on your part, and a very grave and active sin.
 
Troy, I don’t need to hear your revised history of Operation Rescue, as I am several years your senior, and have been involved actively in this movement prior to both you and Randall Terry.  Anyone with a body temperature and a pulse in the pro life movement knows Randall Terry started and ran Operation Rescue and was responsible for turning the nation’s focus onto abortion.  In fact, the sense in the pro life movement at the time was that Roe stood a reasonable chance of being overturned, and the base was energized in that pursuit.  It was the RICO laws and the FACE law that almost single handedly killed Operation Rescue and the pro life’s ability to effect change in the national conversation.
 
The movement has basically floundered since then, and despite what you may think or say, we are getting CREAMED.  The evidence goes no further than your claims that you have rebuilt Operation Rescue into a national organization that is leading and ‘innovating’ new ways to end abortion.  I have been receiving your newsletters for 7 years, and you have continually focused on George Tiller.  This is commendable, but most definitely has little to do with ending legalized child killing.  Troy, you have done a commendable job on a regional issue, focusing on one abortionist, but that cannot be considered a national movement, and most definitely is not a way to end child killing.
 
Even now, you discuss buying Tiller’s former abortuary, but have not come out with a plan to end legalized child killing.  I would like to know what your plan is. 

And I have some questions for your friends. Jeff White, what is your plan for ending legalized child killing?  Rev. Pat Mahoney, what is your plan to end legalized child killing?  Is it stealth?  Double secret probation?  Do you not realize that one of the keys to success is the Supreme Court?

Troy, where was your energy being spent when we had an opportunity to make a difference during the Sotomayor hearings?  You were spending time and energy trashing Randall Terry.  If you really understood the way to win, you would be trying to stop this Supreme Court nominee; it is painfully obvious you do not know what to do to win.  Winning a war is contingent upon attacking with precision, timeliness, and efficiency the point of contention.  It seems to me you do not have the ability to discern this, which would disqualify you as a "national leader."
 
Troy, not only is your waste of time and your attack on Randall despicable, but sinful. 

Do you really believe you can outright lie about a man, and believe you are not subject to the exact charges you level against Randall?  Talk about hypocrisy.  You will stand in front of God Almighty and have to account for your words and behaviors.  I believe not only have you harmed this movement with your false allegations, you are also responsible for infighting, and indirectly, the slaughter of more babies than was warranted. 

For this, I will not stand with you, and make a pledge to you that I will never again give you a dime of money, and I will discourage anyone else from ever contributing to you or whatever organization you represent in the future.  BTW, I notice in your recent newsletters, that OR has dropped it’s 501c3 status, and now is for profit.
 
I don’t know where you, Jeff White and Pat Mahoney get off making personal attacks on Randall, and outright lying about this situation, and then totally absolving yourselves of your own unchristian behaviors. 

Where do you, Jeff White and Pat Mahoney, get off on determining who is ‘repentant’ when you yourselves are in grave sin? 

Are you priests? Can you hear a confession, give penance, and then give absolution? Who made you God’s little judges? When Randall's Bishop from New York pronounced Randall fit for ministry, you scoffed. When the Catholic Priest who brought Randall into the Church said Randall was a faithful, upright Catholic man, you again ignored a true spiritual authority in Randall's life, and continued your attacks. Who do you clowns think you are?

You, and all of us would be better off if you and your cohorts just went to the back of the bus and kept your mouths shut instead of running these lies and slander, which are harming this movement.  Enough is enough already.